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	<title>Comments on: Okay, I&#8217;m back</title>
	<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/</link>
	<description>Blog for the diabetics who use an insulin pump to control diabetes</description>
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		<title>By: patience_15</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25404</link>
		<author>patience_15</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25404</guid>
		<description>&#60;&#60; I seldom have need for the water proof stuff, since I just take the thing
off when swimming. I have the waterproof box that Minimed sells, but only
used it once. It was a real pain to use; too big, too messy, too much
trouble.
&#62;&#62;

Thats exactly what I do and exactly how I feel about there waterproof box.
Thanks, Chrissy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&lt; I seldom have need for the water proof stuff, since I just take the thing<br />
off when swimming. I have the waterproof box that Minimed sells, but only<br />
used it once. It was a real pain to use; too big, too messy, too much<br />
trouble.<br />
&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Thats exactly what I do and exactly how I feel about there waterproof box.<br />
Thanks, Chrissy</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Gould</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25400</link>
		<author>Bert Gould</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25400</guid>
		<description>J Hughey wrote:

Yep! I'm 35 too. Oh, and Jan, you could definitely be my mom since you are a
year older than she is -- and a lot like her! ;-) Suzanna, I'll be the one
with the little girl and long brown hair.

Looking forward to Saturday.....

Connie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Hughey wrote:</p>
<p>Yep! I&#8217;m 35 too. Oh, and Jan, you could definitely be my mom since you are a<br />
year older than she is &#8212; and a lot like her! <img src='http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Suzanna, I&#8217;ll be the one<br />
with the little girl and long brown hair.</p>
<p>Looking forward to Saturday&#8230;..</p>
<p>Connie</p>
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		<title>By: Dane Karlene</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25399</link>
		<author>Dane Karlene</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25399</guid>
		<description>I will be there in spirit. If I WAS there I would be the one wearin a Tee Shirt
with a dog on it. ehehehehe I am always dressed in Pomeranian!

Oh, BTW Suzanne, I am the pretty one, so don't let it upset you. Ü Also the
smartest, but they cant help that. Grandma just has trouble remembering.
Gail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be there in spirit. If I WAS there I would be the one wearin a Tee Shirt<br />
with a dog on it. ehehehehe I am always dressed in Pomeranian!</p>
<p>Oh, BTW Suzanne, I am the pretty one, so don&#8217;t let it upset you. Ü Also the<br />
smartest, but they cant help that. Grandma just has trouble remembering.<br />
Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Karrie</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25398</link>
		<author>Leif Karrie</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25398</guid>
		<description>The Animas pump is waterproof up to a depth of 12 feet of
water. The &#34;o&#34; rings should be replaced with battery
changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Animas pump is waterproof up to a depth of 12 feet of<br />
water. The &quot;o&quot; rings should be replaced with battery<br />
changes.</p>
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		<title>By: sabine170</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25397</link>
		<author>sabine170</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25397</guid>
		<description>Oh, BTW Suzanne, I am the pretty one, so don't let it upset you. Ü Also the
smartest, but they cant help that. Grandma just has trouble remembering.
Gail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, BTW Suzanne, I am the pretty one, so don&#8217;t let it upset you. Ü Also the<br />
smartest, but they cant help that. Grandma just has trouble remembering.<br />
Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Olin Ok</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25396</link>
		<author>Olin Ok</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25396</guid>
		<description>I only know what has been reported here recently about the Animas.

I presently am using the 507; about to upgrade to the 508 so I can get the new
one next year. I seldom have need for the water proof stuff, since I just
take the thing off when swimming. I have the waterproof box that Minimed
sells, but only used it once. It was a real pain to use; too big, too messy,
too much trouble.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only know what has been reported here recently about the Animas.</p>
<p>I presently am using the 507; about to upgrade to the 508 so I can get the new<br />
one next year. I seldom have need for the water proof stuff, since I just<br />
take the thing off when swimming. I have the waterproof box that Minimed<br />
sells, but only used it once. It was a real pain to use; too big, too messy,<br />
too much trouble.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: patience_15</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25395</link>
		<author>patience_15</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25395</guid>
		<description>&#60;&#60; So, I suggest read the fine print.

&#62;&#62;

David,

Another pumper on here said the Animas was waterproof. do you know anything
about this pump? Thanks for your input. What are you on? chrissy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&lt; So, I suggest read the fine print.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p>Another pumper on here said the Animas was waterproof. do you know anything<br />
about this pump? Thanks for your input. What are you on? chrissy</p>
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		<title>By: Olin Ok</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25394</link>
		<author>Olin Ok</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25394</guid>
		<description>A fading engineers' response to your comment:

Water tight, water proof or water anything; without a specification these are
meaningless, except in a very broad context.

How tight is tight? How proof is proof?

So, the 8 feet for 30 minutes is an attempt to be more specific. The seals
are very important; how they are maintained, monitored, and replaced is a very
important consideration. And, after doing so, how do you test the results?
Put it in water and see what happens? If it fails, does it destroy the pump?
If it just leaks a little bit, how do you define this explicitly? Remember
the Challenger disaster? A good example of seals that leak.

So if I were designing a pump to be waterproof, I would spend a lot of time on
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specifications and testing before going to market. Which is probably why,
until recently, only one manufacturer did so, and look what happened? They had
to withdraw their claims.

So, I suggest read the fine print.

David

Okay, I'Second...I think the difference between waterTIGHT and waterPROOF, is
a depth/pressure thing. Neither should allow water into the pump,
but the waterTIGHT should be able to withstand water pressure better
than a waterPROOF pump can (resident engineer, can you confirm
this...I have a tendency to get things backwards!) Which is what
would allow for the depth on the Paradigm...that is probably also why
the time limit is given...the pump needs to normalize periodically to
allow it to remain waterTIGHT. IF this is the case, the time limit
would only apply to continued, complete submersion...more than a bath
or possibly even swimming would involve...but that is just a guess on
my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fading engineers&#8217; response to your comment:</p>
<p>Water tight, water proof or water anything; without a specification these are<br />
meaningless, except in a very broad context.</p>
<p>How tight is tight? How proof is proof?</p>
<p>So, the 8 feet for 30 minutes is an attempt to be more specific. The seals<br />
are very important; how they are maintained, monitored, and replaced is a very<br />
important consideration. And, after doing so, how do you test the results?<br />
Put it in water and see what happens? If it fails, does it destroy the pump?<br />
If it just leaks a little bit, how do you define this explicitly? Remember<br />
the Challenger disaster? A good example of seals that leak.</p>
<p>So if I were designing a pump to be waterproof, I would spend a lot of time on<br />
<!--more--><br />
specifications and testing before going to market. Which is probably why,<br />
until recently, only one manufacturer did so, and look what happened? They had<br />
to withdraw their claims.</p>
<p>So, I suggest read the fine print.</p>
<p>David</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;Second&#8230;I think the difference between waterTIGHT and waterPROOF, is<br />
a depth/pressure thing. Neither should allow water into the pump,<br />
but the waterTIGHT should be able to withstand water pressure better<br />
than a waterPROOF pump can (resident engineer, can you confirm<br />
this&#8230;I have a tendency to get things backwards!) Which is what<br />
would allow for the depth on the Paradigm&#8230;that is probably also why<br />
the time limit is given&#8230;the pump needs to normalize periodically to<br />
allow it to remain waterTIGHT. IF this is the case, the time limit<br />
would only apply to continued, complete submersion&#8230;more than a bath<br />
or possibly even swimming would involve&#8230;but that is just a guess on<br />
my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph Fawn</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25393</link>
		<author>Randolph Fawn</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/2006/10/21/okay-i-m-back/#comment-25393</guid>
		<description>&#62; First, I hope/plan to be there on Saturday. I am a loner, so no
&#62; guest will be coming along.

Connie's dh has to work so he won't be with her either. Looking forward to
meeting you. You're about Connie's age but I could be your mom! ;)
Jan (~_^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; First, I hope/plan to be there on Saturday. I am a loner, so no<br />
&gt; guest will be coming along.</p>
<p>Connie&#8217;s dh has to work so he won&#8217;t be with her either. Looking forward to<br />
meeting you. You&#8217;re about Connie&#8217;s age but I could be your mom! <img src='http://www.diabetic.netslonguirado.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Jan (~_^)</p>
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