Pump wishes

Hi everyone. I have a question. I have a Minimed 507c pump. My dilema is
that its not waterproof. I wish when I was investigating pumps I had bought
a waterproof model of whatever company. Now that its hot etc we spend alot
of time at the pool. I hate the waterproof "box" thing that Minimed has.
Its a pain in the butt!! You put it in this box, put some vaseline on the
seal and have to wear it on this big huge belt. ANNOYING!!! Also one time I
used it and it leaked. So I returned it. It wasnt worth it. I didnt know
if anyone is on the disetronics one or any other waterproof one. I’m so mad
at myself. I cant go to any waterparks cause I cant be off my pump ALL
DAY!!!! AARRGGHH!!!!! My warranty isnt up yet so I dont think I can switch
to another kind of pump. I’m sure my insurance company wouldnt OK it. So
now Im stuck w/a pump thats not waterproof. I HATE IT!!! Oh well I needed
to vent. Any ideas/imput would be appreciated. Chrissy

20 Responses to “Pump wishes”

  1. Jerold Brandon Says:

    Hi Chrissy,

    I’m using a Disetronic but they gave me an extra info sheet in which they
    say that the pump was supposed to be waterproof, but now they don’t
    guarantee this feature anymore.

    Didn’t they tell you that you can disconnect for a hour or two just to swim?
    My doctor for example told me that I can disconnect and (if needed) inject
    some insulin with a Pen-device (or whatever you call it down there) :-)
    A short introduction: I’m new in the list and I live in Rome, Italy - I’ve
    been using a pump for only two weeks and I’m still on the learning phase !

    Cheers


    Stefania

  2. patience_15 Says:

    << I’m using a Disetronic but they gave me an extra info sheet in which they
    say that the pump was supposed to be waterproof, but now they don’t
    guarantee this feature anymore.

    Thanks. Man I would be mad. That is not right. Thanks for responding.
    Where are you from? Chrissy

  3. Dane Karlene Says:

    The animas pump is waterproof with no extra attachments and that is one of the
    reasons I am switching to it.

    Hi Chrissy,

    I’m using a Disetronic but they gave me an extra info sheet in which they
    say that the pump was supposed to be waterproof, but now they don’t
    guarantee this feature anymore.

    Didn’t they tell you that you can disconnect for a hour or two just to swim?
    My doctor for example told me that I can disconnect and (if needed) inject
    some insulin with a Pen-device (or whatever you call it down there) :-)
    A short introduction: I’m new in the list and I live in Rome, Italy - I’ve
    been using a pump for only two weeks and I’m still on the learning phase !

    Cheers

    Stefania

  4. brigitte_20 Says:

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  5. Randolph Fawn Says:

    This pump will NOT be the 511 - it will be the Paradigm (par-a-dime). It is
    scheduled for release Feb. 2002 and you should receive a certificate to mail
    in for the upgrade trade with your paperwork. If not, go to their website and
    print it off and mail it in. It will have proprietary infusion sets and
    deliver much faster. Those two features TURN ME OFF. I hope some of us can
    still have the choice of the 508 after the release of the Paradigm. ;(
    Jan (~_^)

  6. elvira_14 Says:

    My understanding is if you purchased your mini-med in March of this
    year you can trade in your pump for the new Paradigm. Here I go again
    out of luck I purchased my pump in Dec. went on the pump in late Jan.
    and know they come out with a pump that is water proof to 8 ft for 30
    mins. I am also under the impression that the infusion sets are
    interchangeable - but of course I cannot find the article at this
    moment that I got this information from. Since I am still new at this
    J why would the proprietary infusion set and deliver much faster TURN
    YOU OFF?

  7. patience_15 Says:

    << I also have used the waterproof case before. For all the trouble you go
    through to get the pump in the case. Why go swimming. So I haven’t. I hope
    the 511 is just what I need. Good Luck, Kristen
    >>
    Thanks for the info Kristen. Chrissy

  8. Bert Gould Says:

    J Hughey wrote:

    Jan,

    The delivery rate will be the same. I received a brochure on it in the mail a
    few
    days ago and under it’s list of features it states, "Slow bolus (1.5
    units/minute)
    allows time to change your mind (cancel a meal bolus)". The 2 items directly
    under that are, "Pumps without Bio-PULSE may bolus in a rapid, injection like
    manner (up to 30 units/minute)" and "Insulin injections can lead to injection
    site
    leakage, may be painful and can also lead to insulin pooling".

    The proprietary infusion sets don’t bother me one way or the other since I use

    the
    MM infusion sets with my MM pump. The only people who will have a problem are
    those with a large supply (maybe MM will take them back?) and those who use
    infusion sets from a different pump manufacturer. From what I understand, the
    change in luer lock makes the new pump waterproof without the use of clips,
    tappets, etc.

    The feature I’m not real thrilled about is the limit of 180 units in the
    reservoir. I fill with 230-240u to last 3 1/2 days with a couple units left
    over. But once the u200 insulin is approved/available, it won’t be a problem.
    I’m just hoping the insulin is available by the time I get my Paradigm. :-)
    Connie & Dot

  9. Randolph Fawn Says:

    > J why would the proprietary infusion set and deliver much faster TURN
    > YOU OFF?

    Mary,
    Since the infusion sets are not interchangeable with what I now have (enough
    for 2 more years) MM would not take them back (too old for MM, not me) and I’d
    have to buy all new ones. IF I ran into a problem needing an infusion set it
    would be difficult to get one from a friend if they had another kind of pump.
    I had fast delivery for 10 years and couldn’t tolerate the speed (pain) at a
    site that would eventually end up with 150 units. It hurt too much and I had
    to break up 6u into 3u, wait 3 min. and infuse the other 3u. I love the 0.1u
    clicking delivery of my 507C.

    I copied the following two statements from MM’s website:
    * Automatic venting for watertight operation (no extra parts) .

    * Watertight down to 8 feet for up to 30 minutes.

    Now, my question: - is it a matter of careful wording or does waterTIGHT mean
    the same as waterPROOF?

    Furthermore, I don’t like all my choices taken away if they actually phase out
    all the 50* series of pumps like I have read. Some people still like/use the
    steel needles (not I). They have a choice - so do I. I want the choice to have
    the slower delivery and interchangeable sets with any other pump. The Paradigm
    will not have the leur lock-type infusion sets to use the watertight feature.
    To each his own (~_^)

    I am including a post from another list about the Paradigm:
    ========
    With the newly active discussion about the Paradigm I decided to ask MiniMed
    the questions I had directly. Below is the response I received. I going to
    treat this as their FINAL ANSWER.

    Note - Mark Estes responded to my note by embedding his answers as colored
    text. Since this will not show up on the list I have added " **[ … ]** "
    around his answers.

    —– Original Message —–
    From: Ray Hoese
    To: ‘pgj
    Cc: Mark Estes
    Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:34 PM
    Subject: FW: Paradigm Features

    P,

    I had Mark Estes (product manager who was also on that chat) reply to your
    email within the body of the text below. Bottom line is that we’ll have
    Quick Sets, Sof Sets and Silhouettes for the Paradigm at the same price –
    however you can’t use these Paradigm sets with our other pumps. BUT we will
    still sell those same infusion sets for use with our other pumps — because
    about 145,000 people will still be using our other pumps!

    The cost will be the same — example: a Paradigm Quick Set will cost the
    same as a 508 Quickset.

    Read Mark’s additional comments below and email Mark directly if you need
    more clarification.

    Thanks
    -Ray

    Hello Mr. Hoese,

    I am writing you because you were so helpful and informative when you
    participated in a Chat concerning the Paradigm pump back
    on March 21. I do not know if you routinely follow the mail
    List but the features of the Paradigm have again become an active item of
    discussion - AND - It would be nice to have some authoritive facts to
    complement the speculation.

    A specific issue is the infusion sets the Paradigm will use. Are the
    infusion sets proprietary? **[ [Mark Estes] The 10+ sets (Quick Set, Sof
    Set and Silhouette) that will be available for the paradigm are unique to
    the Paradigm, but will be widely available for the same price as current
    sets (no price premium despite our higher costs) ]** Will the pump use a
    standard Luer-lok set? **[ [Mark Estes] No, it is unique. ]** Is it possible
    to use a standard Luer-lok but sacrifice the waterproofness? **[ [Mark
    Estes] No . Other pumps require adaptors to seal the pump and connect the
    infusion set. these adaptors must be changed with every reservoir and add
    considerable costs (approx $6.00 each). We consider the unique connector on
    the Paradigm sets to be a "no cost" adaptor. ]**

    Is there any update on when the Paradigm will be available? **[ [Mark Estes]
    No, still targeting this year. ]**

    If you are willing to answer any of the questions I, and others, would
    certainly be very appreciative.

    Once again, thanks for your help and thanks for great products.

  10. Olin Ok Says:

    If the proprietary infusion sets are an option, fine. I am sold on the bent
    needle and would not want to go to any of the fancy insertion schemes that are
    around. They have been total failures with me, and are excessively
    complicated, and to my way of thinking, unnecessary. Also, the fancy insertion
    schemes are more a panacea for the squeamish. I understand that problem, but
    got over it years ago.

    As far as faster delivery is concerned, I see no problem with that, assuming
    that the square wave basal is available to control delivery rate as an option.

    David

  11. jerrold16 Says:

    > and to my way of thinking, unnecessary. Also, the fancy insertion schemes
    > are more a panacea for the squeamish. I understand that problem, but got
    >

    WRONG! For many of us the insertion devices (and no, not schemes, a scheme is
    a plan to deceive somebody) ARE necessary. In my particular case, I have
    severe arthritis in my hands, and have trouble manually inserting. I found it
    necessary to start using an injection device the last few years I took shots
    (and this was after manually injecting for years, so I certainly wasn’t
    squeamish) because I could no longer push in the plunger. Without my
    Sof-serter, there are some mornings I physically would be unable to put in a
    new set. I imagine this would also be true with a lot of diabetics who have
    nueropathy.

    I think it does not speak very well of us to make inflammatory comments such

    as the above without considering all the circumstances where an insertion
    device may be necessary. Your "way of thinking" is way off base!

    Patrick

  12. patience_15 Says:

    << The animas pump is waterproof with no extra attachments and that is one of
    the reasons I am switching to it.
    >>

    Did you have to meet certain criteria to switch? How long were you on the
    other pump? I am finding that alot of pumps that are supposedly waterproof
    (disetronic) now are not considered waterproof. Also from what Ive been
    hearing about the paradigm its only waterproof for 30min. I still dont get
    that. Why only 30 min. and how long would you have to wait before
    submerging it again? So can you tell me anything about the animas? I guess
    I should go to there website but sometimes its nice hearing about it from
    someone who is using it. Thanks, Chrissy

  13. Olin Ok Says:

    Patrick,

    Your point is well taken, and I accept it as a valid criticism of my
    observation. There certainly are many exceptions to my generalization.
    But, my experience in observing many diabetics over the years (particularly
    those in several group training classes at UCSF) suggests that a large majority
    are very squeamish, and looking for a panacea. Of course this is an anecdotal
    observation, and cannot be proven. In several conversations I have had with
    the CDE’s and other professionals at UCSF, they tend to support my conclusion.

    I am very much a pragmatist; you must play with the cards you are dealt. Your
    cards were certainly lousy, and you have extra problems that I tend to ignore
    since I don’t have those specific ones. If you can make those insertion
    devices work properly, my hat is off to you. I admit that I don’t have much
    patience with people who cannot, for what ever reason, deal with their problems

    when there is a valid and demonstrable solution. This undoubtedly colors my
    view on the matter, unjustly, in the eyes of the victim.

    I also get annoyed at people complaining about the ‘terrible pain’ associated
    with finger sticks. I used to be in that class, but learned to deal with it,
    and now pay no attention to the 10 or more times I do this daily. Sure, I
    would like a painless, continuous, reading, but this is far down the priority
    list for me. So when I hear people whine about the ‘terrible pain’ of this
    process I tend to have a deaf ear.

    As an aside, 15 years ago I was partially blind from retinopathy, and could
    barely read the scale on the syringe. Today, I have 20/20 vision; so attention
    to detail pays off. Ten years ago, I was supposed to be on dialysis within
    three years. Today, no basic change from 10 years ago. So I played the
    cards properly, it would seem. This is not bragging, but an observation
    that if you play every card properly, you can still win the game.

    p.s. I like you definition of ’scheme’. A poor choice of words on my part.

    David

  14. jerrold16 Says:

    > I admit that I don’t have much patience with people who cannot, for what
    > ever reason, deal with their problems when there is a valid and
    >

    They DO, which is my whole point. For many people, an insertion device IS a
    valid and demonstrable solution.

    Patrick

  15. Olin Ok Says:

    Agreed!

    But not for me.

    David

  16. Brendon Mcclain Says:

    Mike

  17. patience_15 Says:

    << I am currently on the Animas R-1000-A which is basically the newer R-
    1000. They look exactly the same. The difference is in bolus amounts,
    >>

    Thanks Mike. Are there any restrictions as to how long it can remain
    immersed? I will check out the web site. Chrissy

  18. Dane Karlene Says:

    I am awaiting the insurance OK to get this pump, I can say that they are a great
    bunch there and the pump looks to be GREAT!

    << I am currently on the Animas R-1000-A which is basically the newer R-
    1000. They look exactly the same. The difference is in bolus amounts,
    >>

    Thanks Mike. Are there any restrictions as to how long it can remain
    immersed? I will check out the web site. Chrissy

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  19. Brendon Mcclain Says:

    No restrictions that I am aware of, and none in their literature.
    >
    > Thanks Mike. Are there any restrictions as to how long it can
    remain
    > immersed? I will check out the web site. Chrissy

  20. Raymond Melendez Says:

    Jan,
    My somewhat uninformed understanding is that MiniMed intends the
    Paradigm as an alternative to the more ‘traditional’ pump. they are
    planning to do a user test-run/trial to get information and feedback
    from current users before starting the actual release of the Paradigm
    (which explains why it is approved and in manufacturing now, but not
    available until next year!) They are offering the ‘upgrade’ to new
    purchasers of the 508, but it will be a new purchase for current
    users. It will be interesting to see just how the "quicker" delivery
    works…although their information also says it will be compatible
    with current infusion sets…confusing! I suspect it will just lead
    to more pooling of insuling under the skin… I get the impression
    that the Paradigm is a stepping stone to help keep MiniMed strong in
    the market while they continue to try to get the internal pump on the
    market.

    Suzanna

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