reply to nursing, water , detox input
<<Breastfeeding is a wonderful way to lose those pregnancy pounds, and your
pumping won’t affect your milk production or your
baby.>>
I agree Joan, but our son was adopted and I had some breast problems the last
few years that inhibited me from nursing. I have mixed feelings about ACE
inhibitors and am not on one right now.
As for the liver detox, my mother works in a health food store and has had good
encounters with this. She also says some are better than others and knows their
are cautions. You DO get sick for a day or more dependent on the amount of
toxins being flushed out. And you must drink alot of water.
I have never heard of water overworking your kidneys negatively, just protein.
That was a new one for me.
I thank everyone for their input. Keep it coming Ü
Even though I have had Diabetes for 26 years, I really feel that I know much
less than I would like to. ALot to be said for those who live near centers and
areas that have good Diabetic resources ; CDE’s, Endos, etc. my life has lacked
much of that and so, I have had to do the best I could on my own many times. I
appreciate a list like this.
Arianna
~ Life cannot be both faith-filled
and stress-free Ü ~
Neal A. Maxwell
September 13th, 2006 at 12:56 am
Arianna wrote:
>> I have mixed feelings about ACE inhibitors and am not on one right now. >>
I was on 2 diff. ACE inhibitors and am now on Norvasc, Cozaar, and Cardura for
BP - diff. from ACE’s but my nephrologist Rx’d them. I did go to UofM in Ann
Arbor, Mich. to get a second opinion from their kidney center and they okayed
the combo. If you have kidney problems, PLEASE see a nephrologist who
specializes in kidney care. An endo might know something, but not as
up-to-date as a neph.
> As for the liver detox, my mother works in a health food store and has had
good encounters with this. She also says some are better than others and knows
their are cautions. You DO get sick for a day or more dependent on the amount
of toxins being flushed out. And you must drink alot of water.
Why would a DMer choose to get sick for a day or two and upset the balance of
BGs, etc.? Sounds *flaky* to me - but that’s my humble opinion which I highly
respect.
> I have never heard of water overworking your kidneys negatively, just
protein. That was a new one for me.
I was put on a low-protein diet (by endo) for 1.5 years and still lost 15%
function over that time. Then I requested a neph and first thing I was told
was to get off the low-protein diet - it works for rats but humans aren’t rats
(well, some may be lol). I asked if I could hug him! He said I could thank him
profusely. That was 7 years ago and my regression has been another 21% - I
know 16% is not good now, but it took 7 years to get here instead of a year.
Wish I had seen a neph earlier!
>> Even though I have had Diabetes for 26 years, I really feel that I know
much less than I would like to. ALot to be said for those who live near
centers and areas that have good Diabetic resources ; CDE’s, Endos, etc. my
life has lacked much of that and so, I have had to do the best I could on my
own many times >>
I have been learning sooooo much since getting on the ‘net 2 years ago since I
have no CDE, Dietitian, nor an endo who has kept up with pumping. I have a
list of about 17 diff. things I have learned even though I’ve been pumping
going on 18 years! (~_^)
September 13th, 2006 at 5:09 am
Not sure why you have mixed feelings about the ACE inhibitors.
They have been proven so successful in slowing kidney disease that there is now
a move to use them even if you don’t have high blood pressure!
Since I started with them 10 years ago, my kidney deterioration has stopped
cold. At the time I started them, the nephrologist said that I was probably 3
years from dialysis! Today, no change.
David
September 13th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Same for me. I started on ACE inhibitors 3 years ago and have not had any
further problems with BP or Kidney function.
Not sure why you have mixed feelings about the ACE inhibitors.
They have been proven so successful in slowing kidney disease that there is
now a move to use them even if you don’t have high blood pressure!
Since I started with them 10 years ago, my kidney deterioration has stopped
cold. At the time I started them, the nephrologist said that I was
probably 3 years from dialysis! Today, no change.
David
September 13th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Dear Arianna,
I see myself so much in your situation. I too went for a period of time
trying to stay off the ACE inhibitors and just try to change myself with
diet, herbs, nutrition, etc. What a mistake( for *me* anyway). I wish now
that I had started the ACE inhibitor much sooner. I was spilling 2,000 mg.
protein when I was trying to do it the "natural" way. My doc finally
convinced me to go on the ACE inhibitor and so I relunctantly said I would
try it. After being on it for awhile, my kidney function test showed I was
only spilling 600mg protein. Wow! They really do work and they do slow
down or even improve kidney disease. My sister is also diabetic and she
started them much sooner than I did and her kidney function is much better
than mine. Maybe you should see how you do on them before deciding not to
use them. Remember that there are different brands. Altace is the one that
has worked the best for me, but there are others. Good luck to you. Love,
Jeana Ü
—– Original Message —–
. I have mixed feelings about ACE inhibitors and am not on one right now.
September 14th, 2006 at 5:32 am
Well stated, and I second these opinions.
With respect to brands, I have been using Vasotec; when I was offered a generic
substitute by the pharmacy, I discussed it with the MD’s and we decided not to
do this only because the Vasotec worked, and why take a chance, even though
technically the generic is the same. Costs more, but in this case, it is worth
it!
David
September 14th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
I have not had any problems with bad protein levels, however my Doctor
mentioned last year about talking about ACE inhibitors in the future. I have
had many changes SOO, I am trying to get some info BEFORE there is a
problem.
Are there any negatives to talking these that will adversley affect other
organs??
This is fantastic info from all of you…really do appreciate it.
Arianna
September 15th, 2006 at 1:05 am
I also had my DR. of three years quite in January as well as my
Endo…..having a hard time finding a Dr. to work with
Arianna
~ Life cannot be both faith-filled
and stress-free Ü ~
Neal A. Maxwell
September 15th, 2006 at 9:49 am
Arianna,
Take them (that’s not an order but a strong suggestion). <VBG> IF you develop
a cough, there are several ACE inhibitors and you can try a different one. I
was on Vasotec for 8 years with no side affects and the neph switched me
to Captopril - that about did me in. I changed nephs and this one put me on
the BP *cocktail*
since I had such problems with the Cap. I really don’t know why I was taken
off the Vasotec other than he is a cocky recent graduate and wanted to *rule*
and it didn’t work.
September 15th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
As I understand it from my endo, the use of Ace Inhibitors prior to the
development of kidney problems is still controversial, but is being done by some
as a precautionary measure.
The only side effect I am aware of from Ace Inhibitors is a tendency to have a
mild cough at times. Also, maybe they might drop your BP too much?
David
September 16th, 2006 at 2:05 am
> The only side effect I am aware of from Ace Inhibitors is a tendency to have
a mild cough at times. Also, maybe they might drop your BP too much?
>
> David
Mild cough - my foot!
I coughed until I gagged up foam daily and even
threw up! I could tolerate eating only cream style corn and bacon on white
bread - yeah and milk. I lost 7# in 10 days (I was weighed bi-weekly) - this
went on for 6 weeks. I looked horrible and had a very raspy voice (a public
speaker, to boot). That neph argued that *it helped 95% of the people!!!!*
meaning it couldn’t affect me. ummmmm - who are the other 5%? The new neph
(his boss - VBG) won’t put me on an ACE because of that development but I had
been on Vasotec 8 yrs. prior to that. I had 5 pharmacists tell me some people
do get the *cough*. I have a very sensitive system and Captopril was
intolerable for ME - maybe not most others. (~_^)
September 16th, 2006 at 5:53 am
Arianna,
I like your signature quote.
Gail
September 16th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Jan,
I had a reaction much like yours. I was on captopril also. The endo I was
seeing said I had bronchitis, it was not the pills. It kept up, I coughed
and gagged till I could not get my breath. A pharmacist then told me that
this could be a side effect of the pill. The endo was mad at me, but I went
off the captopril just to see and no more cough. I tried another ACE
inhibitor and I had a cough, not as bad, but then my now Dr. switched me to
cozaar and cardura. No problem.
Gail
September 17th, 2006 at 2:29 am
<< I have not had any problems with bad protein levels, however my Doctor
mentioned last year about talking about ACE inhibitors in the future. I have
had many changes SOO, I am trying to get some info BEFORE there is a
problem.
Are there any negatives to talking these that will adversley affect other
organs??
This is fantastic info from all of you…really do appreciate it.
Arianna >>
Hi Arianna: you can research your meds through www.medscape.com and then go
to medline.
The research is very positive in the use of ACE inhibitors expecially for
diabetics and hypertensives….sort of like lkissing cousins.
There are side effects with some…cough, sometimes a rash, but that’s not
true with every one and it takes a bit of researching to know which one works
best for you.Same with taking a low dose aspirin 81 mg. twice a day, B-6 50
mg,
Vit. E 400 IU, Vit C 500 mg , L-arginine 1 gram - all twice a day. The
research has shown positive outcomes for diabetics and slowing some of the
cardiovascular damage from our wonderful metabolic dysfuntion.
I’ve been on the comb over 2 years now….just to get rid of the leg cramps
at night is an absolute godsend.
Y
September 17th, 2006 at 10:37 am
<< I have not had any problems with bad protein levels, however my Doctor
mentioned last year about talking about ACE inhibitors in the future. I have
had many changes SOO, I am trying to get some info BEFORE there is a
problem.
Are there any negatives to talking these that will adversley affect other
organs??
This is fantastic info from all of you…really do appreciate it.
Arianna >>
Hi Arianna: you can research your meds through www.medscape.com and then go
to medline.
The research is very positive in the use of ACE inhibitors expecially for
diabetics and hypertensives….sort of like lkissing cousins.
There are side effects with some…cough, sometimes a rash, but that’s not
true with every one and it takes a bit of researching to know which one works
best for you.Same with taking a low dose aspirin 81 mg. twice a day, B-6 50
mg,
Vit. E 400 IU, Vit C 500 mg , L-arginine 1 gram - all twice a day. The
research has shown positive outcomes for diabetics and slowing some of the
cardiovascular damage from our wonderful metabolic dysfuntion.
I’ve been on the comb over 2 years now….just to get rid of the leg cramps
at night is an absolute godsend.
You - woops…hit the touchpad
have to be proactive and really learn as much as you can.
go to www.aace.com and read the current recommendations for intensive
diabetes self-management. This should be your bible when making your
decisions about how to manage your diabetes and your life……Joan:))
September 17th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
Jan: Diovan is another form of ACE and didn’t give me the cough or the rasp.
Been using it for over a year…J:)
September 17th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Sorry, but your statement is only anecdotal; some people react worse than
others, and it depends not only on the person but the specific drug used. So
the 95% may actually be accurate. You unfortunately are in the 5%.
My statement of a mild cough is also anecdotal, since that was my experience;
the truth can only be determined by a careful double blind study. Has anyone
done that? Everything I have read about this symptom suggests that in most
cases the problem is a nuisance, not the severe situation you describe. In
any event, I would put up with a lot of coughing to avoid the kidney problem.
Without having done so, I would for sure have been on dialysis 8 years ago.
David
September 18th, 2006 at 10:58 am
> Jan: Diovan is another form of ACE and didn’t give me the cough or the
rasp.
> Been using it for over a year…J:)
I know there are several ACEs and the Vasotec did not affect me for the 8 yrs
Oh, he also put me on an inhaler for the *bronchitis* and I
I took it. That neph told me I’d hear a lot of good things about Captopril but
they were the first to copyright the *announcement* that it would inhibit
kidney problems (I was already at 35%). Three months later he took me off V
and put me on C. I was confused but he was a cocky sort. He threw me out when
he found out I had quit the C cuz I couldn’t tolerate it any longer (6 wks).
Endo suggested I write the office episode to his boss and the boss called
asking how he could help. I asked him to be my neph and he said yes. Meantime,
young upstart said he’d take me back but I had to call. He’s still waiting
after 7 yrs.
threw up with that. I had to have a life! Neph has me on Cozaar, Cardura, and
Norvasc now. The Clonodine put me to sleep heavily about 10:00 a.m. daily.
(~_^)
September 18th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Joan, I just began taking L-Arginine, I take 1 pill per day (500mg). Should
I be taking more? I’m a 202 lb Male.
fp
September 19th, 2006 at 3:14 am
Footprint,
Are you still sans insulin?
Jan (~_^)
September 19th, 2006 at 7:02 am
David,
What you say is true. Unfortunately I react harshly to many drugs. But
coughing, as I did, brings its problems also. I coughed so hard that my
eyes started hemorrhaging and I had to start having a series of lasers at
this time. I lost sight due to the hemorrhaging and due to the laser. The
specialist that did the lasering believed that more was better and "fried"
my eye.
Gail
September 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Yup!!
September 21st, 2006 at 10:12 am
Wow…I guess I’m out of date. Where’d ya see that the bottle says 500
mg/day?
fp
September 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 am
> I’ve been on the comb over 2 years now….just to get rid of the leg cramps
> at night is an absolute godsend.
>
Are diabetics more prone to leg cramps? Ive noticed several of you all
posting about leg cramps. Chrissy
PS: I used to get them alot years ago but havent had too many lately.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:20 pm
Can you get these at a regular drugstore? I’ve never heard of L-arginine.
Chrissy
PS: I know you can get the vitamins at a regular drugstore but wasnt sure of
the other thing. Also what does IU mean?
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:01 pm
I don’t know if this has been answered yet, I woke up to 65 posts - but IU is
International Units (or Indiana Univ.)
Jan (~_^)
September 27th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
<< Can you get these at a regular drugstore? I’ve never heard of L-arginine.
Chrissy
PS: I know you can get the vitamins at a regular drugstore but wasnt sure
of
the other thing. Also what does IU mean? >>
health food stores are a good source for l-arginine, all the rest from
regular store…get the store brand.
IU means international unit….J:)
September 28th, 2006 at 6:42 am
<< Wow…I guess I’m out of date. Where’d ya see that the bottle says 500
mg/day?
fp >>
remember Dr. Joe and the diabeteswell.com web site?
he posted the information regarding the research that’s going on regarding
the cardiovascular damage related to high triglycerides and cholesterol.
Research is finding that the combo of l-arginine and c, e, etc. helps to
abate some of that damage. And as a benefit, improves circulation and helps
with those wonderful leg cramps. You can go to the site if it’s still up and
look at his e-news…..J:)))
September 29th, 2006 at 5:09 am
Thanks Joan, will do!!
fp
September 29th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Chrissy, www.putitanpride.com is where I got mine.
fp
> << Can you get these at a regular drugstore? I’ve never heard of
L-arginine.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
Sorry Chrissy that’s www.puritanspride.com please disregard the other in
error.
fp
October 7th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
<< Sorry Chrissy that’s www.puritanspride.com please disregard the other in
error.
fp >>
Thanks! Chrissy