24 hr urine protein
good morning can someone tell me how bad a 1200-1600 range on a 24 hr urine
protein test
is?i think i remember it going in stages of micro(something) macro(something)
dialysis and
transplant.where does that number fall in the seriousness? my dr called but no
message of
the test results so now i’m kindof wondering why?
A patient a Yale University was recently told that you cannot die from
hypoglycemia while treating for diabetes. This seems to be true. I have
seen people in hypoglycemic coma for 12 to 24 hours and awaken without
difficulty.
Nor does there seem to be any detectable brain damage. I know there are
studies that might tend to refute what I just said but my experience does
not support brain injury with hypoglycemia.
The body is pretty resilient. The one young man who was hypoglycemic with
unmeasurable blood sugars for 12 hours, just graduated from college with an
extremely high grade point average. I would try to avoid it, but it
probably will never hurt you. Some old stories die hard.
Dr. Joe, the Diabetes Doctor
April 7th, 2005 at 3:04 am
You just happened to reach a working Medical Technologist….
Normal 24hr urine protein is <100mg/24hrs so you appear to be in a dangerous
range. Recommend other kidney function tests, BUN, Creatinine,
microalbumin….
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
April 7th, 2005 at 11:08 am
Sharon Basil wrote:
> good morning can someone tell me how bad a 1200-1600 range on a 24 hr
urine protein test
> is?i think i remember it going in stages of micro(something)
macro(something) dialysis and
> transplant.where does that number fall in the seriousness? my dr called
but no message of
> the test results so now i’m kindof wondering why?
>
April 7th, 2005 at 1:50 pm
if i’m not living on the edge im taking up too musch room????????i guess i
left my brain at home on that one????100???can you tell me info about those
other tests?i already know that i am not considered micro it is at least
macro(whatever that word is)thanks scott.
You just happened to reach a working Medical Technologist….
Normal 24hr urine protein is <100mg/24hrs so you appear to be in a
dangerous
range. Recommend other kidney function tests, BUN, Creatinine,
microalbumin….
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
April 7th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
are you on dialysis?i dont have a good feeling about this at all.i had a
friend on dialysis and i’m
remembering what he would tel me and how he felt and i’m not too sure i
will choose that over
my 2nd option.i missed the call from the dr yesterday.and i am wating to
hear again.when they stopped doing your 24 hr urine what was your #’s ??? i
hate this stuff.
Sharon Basil wrote:
> good morning can someone tell me how bad a 1200-1600 range on a 24 hr
urine protein test
> is?i think i remember it going in stages of micro(something)
macro(something) dialysis and
> transplant.where does that number fall in the seriousness? my dr called
but no message of
> the test results so now i’m kindof wondering why?
>
April 8th, 2005 at 11:35 am
Don’t get too confused by the tagline on my notebook….
The point is that your kidneys are leaking protein and you need further
kidney testing, BUN and Creatinine are part of a chemistry panel, routine
serum testing. microalbumin is used to test nutritional status and kidney
function. Like Jan says, all these need to be interpreted for you,
individually by an internist, endocrinologist or nephrologist.
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
April 8th, 2005 at 7:39 pm
I wrote:
> No, I am not on dialysis and would rather not be. That begins at 10% and
I’m
> now at 18% function. I’m getting listed for a kidney/pancreas transplant.
> The list I’m on is almost like this one - you’ll be glad you did (pump)
April 8th, 2005 at 10:21 pm
how is a serum test done?is this a biaopy type thing ?
Don’t get too confused by the tagline on my notebook….
The point is that your kidneys are leaking protein and you need further
kidney testing, BUN and Creatinine are part of a chemistry panel, routine
serum testing. microalbumin is used to test nutritional status and kidney
function. Like Jan says, all these need to be interpreted for you,
individually by an internist, endocrinologist or nephrologist.
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
April 9th, 2005 at 11:54 am
My labs are all blood tests. Do them once a month.
j
> how is a serum test done?is this a biaopy type thing ?
April 9th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
All you need is routine, fasting blood draw, again, see your DR.
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
> how is a serum test done?is this a biaopy type thing ?
April 9th, 2005 at 10:44 pm
a dr told me i would only live to be 50.i’m 43 .i guess i better retire and live
it up for the next 7
yrs huh?(of course i didn’t believe him at the time,tho i was 20) 20 yrs later
well i might start
rethinking what he said.it’s weird he’s in a nursing home now with a brain
tumor,huummm
not to laugh but we have to keep fighting right??thatnks for all the support.
this is such a
wonderful group and i admit i read posts mostly.hardly send any but when i do
everybody is
caring and helpful.hug s to all of you.
April 10th, 2005 at 6:51 am
I wrote:
> No, I am not on dialysis and would rather not be. That begins at 10% and
I’m
> now at 18% function. I’m getting listed for a kidney/pancreas transplant.
> The list I’m on is almost like this one - you’ll be glad you did (pump)
April 10th, 2005 at 2:59 pm
i left a mess he is to call me back.i hope today.i will have a long weekend if
not.
All you need is routine, fasting blood draw, again, see your DR.
Scott
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much room….
> how is a serum test done?is this a biaopy type thing ?
April 11th, 2005 at 4:33 am
> a dr told me i would only live to be 50.i’m 43 .i guess i better retire
and live it up for the next 7
> yrs huh?(of course i didn’t believe him at the time,tho i was 20)
April 11th, 2005 at 12:41 pm
I’ve been pumping 17 years and found out a year and a half ago that I don’t
know the updated ways of doing it. You have the advantage of cutting-edge
technology. I use the SWAG system with my pump. I’m going for the dual
kidney/pancreas because:
the wait is shorter
I wouldn’t be diabetic anymore (after 50 years!!!)
If I got just a kidney, what’s to say this same old pancreas that ruined my
native ones wouldn’t ruin a new one?
You can stifle the progression much better with the help of a nephrologist.
> i just dont think i will opt for a kidney.i hope with my control better
now with the pump.10 av
> down to 5.8 now.if i can stiffle the progression as long a s possible,but
i guess that’s just how bad it is huh?
>
April 11th, 2005 at 3:22 pm
thanks for the pep talk.you make me want to keep fighting even if think i
dont want to.I really
do but i know me and there are just some things i will not do.(i guess i
should say choose to
not do).is there a difference.i know you love your grandchildren.i have one
son and one granddaughter who is going to be 2 next month.i work full time
and often wonder am i working
and i should be going part time and have more of that precious lost time
with my family.i also
have a grandmother(yes she’s 84) and a dad who is also ill.that i feel we
lost so many yrs to
fussing that we should cherish the good times left.
> a dr told me i would only live to be 50.i’m 43 .i guess i better retire
and live it up for the next 7
> yrs huh?(of course i didn’t believe him at the time,tho i was 20)
April 11th, 2005 at 11:30 pm
what is the SWAG system? sorry to ask soooo many ?’s.
I’ve been pumping 17 years and found out a year and a half ago that I don’t
know the updated ways of doing it. You have the advantage of cutting-edge
technology. I use the SWAG system with my pump. I’m going for the dual
kidney/pancreas because:
the wait is shorter
I wouldn’t be diabetic anymore (after 50 years!!!)
If I got just a kidney, what’s to say this same old pancreas that ruined my
native ones wouldn’t ruin a new one?
You can stifle the progression much better with the help of a nephrologist.
> i just dont think i will opt for a kidney.i hope with my control better
now with the pump.10 av
> down to 5.8 now.if i can stiffle the progression as long a s possible,but
i guess that’s just how bad it is huh?
>
April 12th, 2005 at 1:04 pm
Scientific Wild-A** Guess.
> what is the SWAG system? sorry to ask soooo many ?’s.
>
April 12th, 2005 at 9:15 pm
We do that all the time in the lab <G>….
> Scientific Wild-A** Guess.
Scott
April 13th, 2005 at 12:16 am
Sharon, I only can tell you my experience. (I have been diabetic for 32
years this month) During my 15th year with diabetes I was spilling 2,000 mg
(not mcg) of protein regularly. During my 18th year of diabetes I was
pregnant and spilling 14,000 mg (yes you read that right milligrams not
micrograms) After pregnancy I went back down to 2,000 mg. I stabalized
around that until I was pregnant again and went up to 7,000 mg. (I was on a
low protein diet the second time around–different doc) After that high
risk pregnancy (my final) my doctor put me on an ACE inhibitor. Now years
later, I consistently spill around 600 mg. I know that is high (It should
be <100) but for me it is pretty good considering my history. So you see,
the numbers can be high, but remember my experience on how they can change.
Try not to worry too much. I just try to do the best I can. I think you
need to take into consideration how long you’ve been at a high level and
your over all control. I’ve been spilling protein for many years. My
serum creatinine is 1.2 and BUN around 20. (both are a concern so we keep a
close watch on everything. Creatinine clearance is around 70. I know have
some kidney problems but I don’t let it cause undo worry. I just do the best
I can and enjoy the life I have with my four (we adopted two more) kids and
husband. People told me I would not live past five years after spilling
14,000 mg. Well, that was 14 years ago and I’m still alive and kicking and
doing better than expected Ü. I hate it when people tell me I won’t be able
to do something. I am just too stubborn to quit.. Just because you’re
spilling high protein does not mean immediate kidney failure. You do need
to keep a close watch on things and talk to your doctor, however. Good Luck.
Keep us posted.. Love, Jeana in Alaska who is doing much better on the pump
for almost fours years now.
—– Original Message —–
> good morning can someone tell me how bad a 1200-1600 range on a 24 hr
urine protein test
> is?i think i remember it going in stages of micro(something)
macro(something) dialysis and
> transplant.where does that number fall in the seriousness? my dr called
but no message of
> the test results so now i’m kindof wondering why?
April 13th, 2005 at 12:44 pm
<< a dr told me i would only live to be 50.i’m 43 .i guess i better retire
and live it up for the next 7
yrs huh?( >>
That’s nothing. When I was diagnosed in 1960 (before I was 3) my dr. told my
mom if I was lucky I might live to be 30. Now, I’m 43 and he’s been dead for
20 years!
Just goes to show ya!
Patrick
The NC bluegrass pickin’ pumper
April 13th, 2005 at 4:08 pm
i was diagnosed at 12,1970.i have had people tell me oh your’e alot
healthier because you are diabetic.never understood that one?? the dr i had
yrs ago is in a nursing with brain disease,so
i guess that must have been working on him when he said i wouldnt see 50,i
hope he’s wrong.
but if he’s right i’ll still be ok because i’ll be sending you guys some
howdy dos from my new
address….on Rainbow Ave.never got a call back from my dr.i tried asking
the lab and they said they couldnt tell me without a release signed(,from
now on i’ll sign one when i go for the tests.)
i dont get why if the results are on his desk(the nurse told me this)why he
hasnt called.i think
i will call today.i know it’s Sat but i want to know.
thanks for all your support.beautiful day here in va.
<< a dr told me i would only live to be 50.i’m 43 .i guess i better retire
and live it up for the next 7
yrs huh?( >>
That’s nothing. When I was diagnosed in 1960 (before I was 3) my dr. told
my
mom if I was lucky I might live to be 30. Now, I’m 43 and he’s been dead
for
20 years!
Just goes to show ya!
Patrick
The NC bluegrass pickin’ pumper
April 14th, 2005 at 4:31 pm
my last reading was 1200.that was a yr ago.
i kind of sense it is worse,though i’m glad my av bp went fr 10 to 5.8,however i
use to go go go
and now i gooooo gooooooooo gooooo stop.not good huh? i wanted to say it was the
highs but
i’m in the normal bp ranges now.you guys help keep my chin up though thank you
so much.
Sharon, I only can tell you my experience. (I have been diabetic for 32
years this month) During my 15th year with diabetes I was spilling 2,000 mg
(not mcg) of protein regularly. During my 18th year of diabetes I was
pregnant and spilling 14,000 mg (yes you read that right milligrams not
micrograms) After pregnancy I went back down to 2,000 mg. I stabalized
around that until I was pregnant again and went up to 7,000 mg. (I was on a
low protein diet the second time around–different doc) After that high
risk pregnancy (my final) my doctor put me on an ACE inhibitor. Now years
later, I consistently spill around 600 mg. I know that is high (It should
be <100) but for me it is pretty good considering my history. So you see,
the numbers can be high, but remember my experience on how they can change.
Try not to worry too much. I just try to do the best I can. I think you
need to take into consideration how long you’ve been at a high level and
your over all control. I’ve been spilling protein for many years. My
serum creatinine is 1.2 and BUN around 20. (both are a concern so we keep a
close watch on everything. Creatinine clearance is around 70. I know have
some kidney problems but I don’t let it cause undo worry. I just do the best
I can and enjoy the life I have with my four (we adopted two more) kids and
husband. People told me I would not live past five years after spilling
14,000 mg. Well, that was 14 years ago and I’m still alive and kicking and
doing better than expected U. I hate it when people tell me I won’t be able
to do something. I am just too stubborn to quit.. Just because you’re
spilling high protein does not mean immediate kidney failure. You do need
to keep a close watch on things and talk to your doctor, however. Good Luck.
Keep us posted.. Love, Jeana in Alaska who is doing much better on the pump
for almost fours years now.
—– Original Message —–
> good morning can someone tell me how bad a 1200-1600 range on a 24 hr
urine protein test
> is?i think i remember it going in stages of micro(something)
macro(something) dialysis and
> transplant.where does that number fall in the seriousness? my dr called
but no message of
> the test results so now i’m kindof wondering why?
April 15th, 2005 at 3:01 am
Sharon,
You deserve to know, after all, they are your tests.
Gail
April 17th, 2005 at 3:00 pm
Hi:
normal amount of urine in a 24 hour urine collection should be less than 150
mg.
when it’s increased, there’s nephrotic syndrome usually associated with
anything greater than 4 g (grams)/24 hrs. (1 g = 1000 mg). hope that
helps…Joan:)
April 18th, 2005 at 6:03 pm
Hi:
normal amount of urine in a 24 hour urine collection should be less than 150
mg.
when it’s increased, there’s nephrotic syndrome usually associated with
anything greater than 4 g (grams)/24 hrs. (1 g = 1000 mg). hope that
helps…Joan:)
April 21st, 2005 at 8:24 am
Hi Sharon: First, you said you’ve been cruising our list now and again, so
First thing I’m going to tell you, is you
welcome from all of us, as you’ve no doubt experienced already
April 21st, 2005 at 4:32 pm
Hi Sharon: First, you said you’ve been cruising our list now and again, so
First thing I’m going to tell you, is you woops! hit the touchpad and sent
welcome from all of us, as you’ve no doubt experienced already
it unfinished, sorry!
Now, as I rudely interrupted myself….you have to start educating yourself,
and as I’ve said to others who join this list, www.diabeteswell.com is the
first place to start. Dr. Joe and his crew are great for providing concise
information that is essentially written for the layperson, and not as in as
much medicalese. There are other links, and the American Diabetes
Association which is also a great resource. As diabetics, we have to be
smarter than our physician, our NP, or PA, and CDE and nutritionist. Never
assume they truly know all that there is to know about the disease we deal
with, cause most of ‘em don’t.
Living as a diabetic, a nurse, a soon to be nurse practitioner, a diabetes
educator, a childbirth and breastfeeding educator, HIV Test counselor and
counselor-trainer, I’ve clocked a lot of miles in teaching both patients,
other health professionals- doctors and nurses included, and myself. The
hardest thing to do is challenge your physician and make him accountable. If
he claims to be a board certified endocrinologist with a specialty in
diabetes, he should have been on top of pump information and discussed
options with you. The fact that he hasn’t, tells me quite a lot. It’s time
to make him accountable for his behavior. If he doesn’t like it, there are
other endocrinologists and endocrine groups that can get you started in the
best direction you feel you need to be.
Nephrotic syndrome is a title placed on a couple of major problems with our
kidneys.
Our kidneys filter our blood and help to clean it. It also recycles stuff.
When we start spilling protein in our urine, it’s a tattle tale that the
kidneys are starting to work too hard. They aren’t supposed to spill
protein. Nephrons are the tiny filters inside the kidneys. You might have
noticed your urine smelling different, maybe very foamy, change in your
appetite, feeling tired and weak. You might not necessarily feel all of
that, but it is probable.
I would suggest that you invest some time and go to the site I suggested
above. It’s a good place to start to get your feet wet on information. Know
that’s not enough, but it’s a good start, and sure the others will jump in
too…..Joan:)
April 23rd, 2005 at 7:14 am
Jan, what is….?
<<snip>>
I use the SWAG system with my pump.
fp
April 23rd, 2005 at 3:21 pm
ok and how does that work?
fp
April 23rd, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Absolutely!!! I DEMAND them
fp
April 24th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
Very good advise Joan… I applaud you.
fp
April 25th, 2005 at 8:45 pm
otherouts>
thanks for the site,the endo is wonderful about the pump my prob (i might
not have explained it
well enough) was that i had my 2nd 24 hr urine(the 1st ever was a yr ago:-(
,anyway the prob was he got the results on the 12th and i wasnt getting a
call with what they were. so anyhow
after i called him several times and the hospital several times and the
hospital called him and refaxed the test to him, HE CALLED ME. wow.ok now ,
the protein spilling was less yeah!!!!!
i thank all for all the great support and prayers and i look forward to
visiting this site as often as
i can.i totally know now after 30 yrs that all you said above is sooo true.
i never had gone to an
endo.i scream to all now who will liston,go to a good endo.i have a couple
of aquantances (sp)
(should have went to school more often) that are type 2 that are doing
terrible and i BEG them.
havent gotten anywhere with them but i will keep screaming,even cried to
them a few times.
the power we get to get over that bad hump when we are down and out about
this disease is
my Lord.i thanked him over and over for my results and even for this
disease.ALL work good
for those who love the Lord.(don’t mean to preach just happy that i am
better today.thanks for
letting me share.
hugs
sharon
Hi Sharon: First, you said you’ve been cruising our list now and again, so
First thing I’m going to tell you, is you woops! hit the touchpad and sent
welcome from all of us, as you’ve no doubt experienced already
it unfinished, sorry!
Now, as I rudely interrupted myself….you have to start educating
yourself,
and as I’ve said to others who join this list, www.diabeteswell.com is the
first place to start. Dr. Joe and his crew are great for providing concise
information that is essentially written for the layperson, and not as in as
much medicalese. There are other links, and the American Diabetes
Association which is also a great resource. As diabetics, we have to be
smarter than our physician, our NP, or PA, and CDE and nutritionist. Never
assume they truly know all that there is to know about the disease we deal
with, cause most of ‘em don’t.
Living as a diabetic, a nurse, a soon to be nurse practitioner, a diabetes
educator, a childbirth and breastfeeding educator, HIV Test counselor and
counselor-trainer, I’ve clocked a lot of miles in teaching both patients,
other health professionals- doctors and nurses included, and myself. The
hardest thing to do is challenge your physician and make him accountable.
If
he claims to be a board certified endocrinologist with a specialty in
diabetes, he should have been on top of pump information and discussed
options with you. The fact that he hasn’t, tells me quite a lot. It’s
time
to make him accountable for his behavior. If he doesn’t like it, there are
other endocrinologists and endocrine groups that can get you started in the
best direction you feel you need to be.
Nephrotic syndrome is a title placed on a couple of major problems with our
kidneys.
Our kidneys filter our blood and help to clean it. It also recycles stuff.
When we start spilling protein in our urine, it’s a tattle tale that the
kidneys are starting to work too hard. They aren’t supposed to spill
protein. Nephrons are the tiny filters inside the kidneys. You might have
noticed your urine smelling different, maybe very foamy, change in your
appetite, feeling tired and weak. You might not necessarily feel all of
that, but it is probable.
I would suggest that you invest some time and go to the site I suggested
above. It’s a good place to start to get your feet wet on information.
Know
that’s not enough, but it’s a good start, and sure the others will jump in
too…..Joan:)
April 27th, 2005 at 10:41 am
Scientific Wild-A** Guess
April 27th, 2005 at 6:53 pm
Jan,
I am a bit curious about the mechanism for continued kidney destruction
after stabilizing blood sugars with the pump?
Scott